Bat Rolling?!?

[bigmick1019]

1.) Is it legal?
2.) Anyone know a local guy who does it?

Thanks.

[Larks]

Hint: You probably wont get any replies on this.

[MstrBlaster44]

Its then called a "Blunt" when you roll a bat? LOL

[SW52]

We've got some fat guys on TPE that roll pretty well. And they're all waaaaayyy over 21, so they are legal too.

[bigmick1019]

Larks, why would I not get replies? Is it illegal or not?

[cbaker]

Basically what I believe Larks is saying is that you won't get any replies because most people that do that kind of "work" to a bat don't want it advertised. I don't believe that there is a clear cut rule against it, because basically you are not changing the make up of a bat, just speeding up the breakin time, but it is not looked upon favorably.

[bigmick1019]

Well thanks for the responses...or lack there of. I guess I am confused as to why if something is not illegal and pretty much everybody does it...then why is it looked upon as unfavorable?

[Hard Hitting]

It is illegal. It is altering a bat. A lot of people use these bats and don't want anyone knowing that. Actually, if someone using the bat was to hurt someone like a pitcher with a line drive, then they could also be prosecuted because it is illegal. Although, it is hard to notice a bat that has been altered, it is still not a good idea to have it done because if found you are suspended for a year (i believe), and you lose your $300 bat and whatever money it cost you to have it done. Hope that helps you.

[cbaker]

If you buy a bat and go out and take a few rounds of BP with it, you will break that bat in. If you roll it, you are compressing the inner and outer walls of the bat down to like an inch, and then the bat goes back to its origional shape. At that point, you have compomised the integrity of the bat. Have you altered the make up of it? No, but you are now seinging a brand new bat that is going to be at it's breaking point very soon.

This is strictly my opinion on the matter, and if I am wrong, then I am wrong. I just know that I see plenty of guys out there doing it the right way. Rolling a bat will not make you a better hitter the way BP will, rolling a bat will just take those 280 foot pop outs and put them at 305 foot HR's.

[jasonsanders1]

DONT roll it DONT shave it DONT vice it... if you cant hit hrs then stop trying, altering the bat is stupid thats why softball isnt what it used to be. and i cant wait til the freak is banned for good i know you can use it in usssa next year but take that bat away from alot of ppl and you will see how good some of these upper players are..... but just leave the bats alone EVERYONE!

[MstrBlaster44]

I actually saw on Ebay where a guy is on there selling the roll machine for like $500.00 It don't look like a very complex device.

[phatneff]

I believe the USSSA rules say that you can't roll it, or even hit it against a tree or a telephone poll. If someone is seen doing that, you can be reported. But honestly, who would report someone, other than if they get caught at a park doing it in front of a USSSA official?

[BT44]

I believe the USSSA rules say that you can't roll it, or even hit it against a tree or a telephone poll. If someone is seen doing that, you can be reported. But honestly, who would report someone, other than if they get caught at a park doing it in front of a USSSA official?
Actually I bleieve Rumpke has a wrapped up Pole next to Field 1 to hit your bat on?

[Studtastic Powershank]

Actually I bleieve Rumpke has a wrapped up Pole next to Field 1 to hit your bat on?

yeah,..and like 1 foot on either side of it. You'll need to move the bleachers to hit it....but it is taped up nice a purrrty.

[bigmick1019]

Phatneff, can you get rid of that pic...you're gonna get me in trouble at work!

[pineapple]

take bp or go to eaby

[phatneff]

Actually I bleieve Rumpke has a wrapped up Pole next to Field 1 to hit your bat on?

And how many USSSA tournaments does Rumpke have???

[phatneff]

Phatneff, can you get rid of that pic...you're gonna get me in trouble at work!

Uhhhhh....no. Are you serious????

[BT44]

And how many USSSA tournaments does Rumpke have???


City Slam?

[phatneff]

Great! Overflow games from one tournament. My point, Bob, is that the rule says that in the USSSA book, but not the ASA book. So Rumpke having a "bat pole" (kind of like what the lady bootycallers call my......well, you know) is fine and dandy!

Don't you have a grill to get replaced or something?!?!? ;o)

[Chunk-o-Matic]

You have other bootycallers besides "lady" ones..... Neff you disappoint me.

[phatneff]

Easy there, Chunky.......don't let me get those LKD nightwalkers to come work their late nights over by your house. You may see me more than you like to!!

[Chunk-o-Matic]

That's quite alright. You keep them on Washington and Wyoming.

[AK BIGDAWG]

Usssa is the only organization that specifically says it is illegal.

[DirtyOne55]

Basically, from what I can tell in the rule book, that altering a bat in any other way that hitting normal softballs is altering a bat, therefore illegal if used in a game, but if you get a bat rolled the proper way, there really is no way of knowing. Personally, I do not see why it would be illegal as you are just reducing the life of the bat, and getting it to its full potential sooner than later. You can send them off and have them done. All you have to do is search google and you can come up with all of the answers you are looking for.

Would it be a good idea to possibly make a posting that explains everything about bat altering such as the science behind it, the rules set for the bats, the penalties for altering a bat and possibly make it a sticky? It seems that there is always somebody that does not know what it is and posting a new thread asking everything about it just to come up with the same answer everytime. Maybe it is not a good idea, but I just think that it would possibly make things a little easier to quote the rules and explain what they mean because some people either have a hard time looking information like that up, or have a hard time understanding the wording.

[bombsaway]

this thread will go on and on....this isnt a subject to be talked about on a forum.it is frowned upon and shouldnt be brought up. atleast he didnt ask about shaving a bat..

[DirtyOne55]

this thread will go on and on....this isnt a subject to be talked about on a forum.it is frowned upon and shouldnt be brought up. atleast he didnt ask about shaving a bat..

I think it is a valid question to ask just because it is a gray area in many peoples minds. I just think we need to have something posted where every time somebody creates an account and asks the same question that we have heard on here over and over, somebody can just copy and paste a link to something stating the facts, and lock the thread that way it is not discussed over and over. Regardless the question is going to be asked.

[slamit93]

none of my bats even came with hair...

are they pre-pubescent?

[slamit93]

I think it is a valid question to ask just because it is a gray area in many peoples minds. I just think we need to have something posted where every time somebody creates an account and asks the same question that we have heard on here over and over, somebody can just copy and paste a link to something stating the facts, and lock the thread that way it is not discussed over and over. Regardless the question is going to be asked.

the facts are simple.

It's illegal.
It shortens the life of the bat for little to no gains over traditional break in.
It's next to impossible to detect.

[8 Ball]

I know the bat manufactures love it. It shortens the life of the bat. (You buy more bats)
If it's done wrong, it can ruin the bat. (Again you buy more bats)
It weakens the bat, because you’re breaking the fibers all the way around the barrel of the bat. Verses by breaking it in by hitting balls only breaks a small amount of fibers in the smaller area, thus making the bat last longer and making it stronger.

Yes it can be detected, but it's more trouble than it's worth.

My 2 cents.

I know this because I work with polymers every day.

[Z-Fly]

It breaks in the bat evenly everywhere. It does shorten the life of the bat, but it shortens the part that you really don't want to use your bat for anyways.

I say get one done, if you like it keep doing it. If you don't, then don't do it again. Watch a quick video on YouTube. It is a very simple process, and pretty hard to screw up.

[8 Ball]

It breaks in the bat evenly everywhere. It does shorten the life of the bat, but it shortens the part that you really don't want to use your bat for anyways.

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Yea! It breaks the fibers all the way around the bat making it weaker all the way around instead of just a few spots on the bat. Your're making the bat break in faster! Notice the break. Thus making it NOT last as long. You can believe what you want.

[Z-Fly]

Relax boss… I have a BA in mechanical engineering. I know a little about materials also. What you are saying is true, but what I am saying is also true. All I said was try it out and see how you like it.

[bombsaway]

I think it is a valid question to ask just because it is a gray area in many peoples minds. I just think we need to have something posted where every time somebody creates an account and asks the same question that we have heard on here over and over, somebody can just copy and paste a link to something stating the facts, and lock the thread that way it is not discussed over and over. Regardless the question is going to be asked.

i agree there should be something posted,just the fact that it is a grey area is sad. what happend to old fashioned bp.getting outside on a 70+ degree day with some buddies and hitting. in the last month or so ive gotten myself a collection of 75 .47core or higher balls that i use for breaking in bats. the ? will always be out there about rolling/shaving bats.

[DirtyOne55]

i agree there should be something posted,just the fact that it is a grey area is sad. what happend to old fashioned bp.getting outside on a 70+ degree day with some buddies and hitting. in the last month or so ive gotten myself a collection of 75 .47core or higher balls that i use for breaking in bats. the ? will always be out there about rolling/shaving bats.

I would take BP, but I do not have any friends. But yes, it is sad that there is a gray area, but until there is an easy way to prove it, it will remain that way.

And 8-ball, you only know that crap because I taught you.

[mjdato]

I don't think there is a grey area. The only legal way to break in a bat is to hit approved balls. It's pretty clear in the rule book.

[DirtyOne55]

I don't think there is a grey area. The only legal way to break in a bat is to hit approved balls. It's pretty clear in the rule book.

But if it can not be proved, and there can not be penalties issued, then how can you enforce the rules? If the rules can not be enforced in any way, I would say that it is a gray area.

[8 Ball]

And 8-ball, you only know that crap because I taught you.


Thanks oh wise one!

Just think, After a few beers I get even smarter. Just ask me.

[The Rookie]

And by a few he means a min of 12 lol and wheres ur name drop tim? Poly scientist?

[28SS]

But if it can not be proved, and there can not be penalties issued, then how can you enforce the rules? If the rules can not be enforced in any way, I would say that it is a gray area.

Wrong is wrong. PERIOD. Whether or not anyone knows about it has nothing to do with it.

[FAST FREDDY]

PM me if you need it done.

[chillywilly777]

Nobody "needs" it done.

[cincybad]

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I believe the USSSA rules say that you can't roll it, or even hit it against a tree or a telephone poll. If someone is seen doing that, you can be reported. But honestly, who would report someone, other than if they get caught at a park doing it in front of a USSSA official?
this is the new rule

[mk03]

Does anybody know where I can get my aluminum bat rolled and shaved?

[JSiler27]

Nobody "needs" it done.

Apparently you have never seen me swing, its quite comical to say the least. I can give references if needed. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[cincybad]

got this off craigslist Have 2 used bats available! First is a EASTON SCN4, no receipt, 27oz, will sell for $155. It is broken in.
Also have a 27.5oz JH Titan available with about 100 hits on it. Will sell the Titan for $180. Can also roll any other
softball bats for $20 each. Discounts for multiple bats. Feel free to email or call/text (859)-445-3438 Thanks.

[rush3969]

LOL

[nptforlife]

umpires are being told just to take the bats being hit against telephone poles though it would be nice to see how that would void out if an ump actually did it I know alot of guys would be willing to fight over a 100+ bat. Should be interesting with the new rules

[AK BIGDAWG]

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I believe the USSSA rules say that you can't roll it, or even hit it against a tree or a telephone poll. If someone is seen doing that, you can be reported. But honestly, who would report someone, other than if they get caught at a park doing it in front of a USSSA official?
this is the new rule
Usssa is the only association that specifically says no to bat rolling.